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Post by honeybees on Jan 12, 2018 14:52:36 GMT
Tonight at the Critics Choice Awards Gary Oldman beat out Timothy again for Best Actor in a Drama. We have the SAG Awards and Oscars to go. Call Me By Your Name did win Best Adapted Screenplay. I read the book finally! It's not very long. The movie adheres to the first part pretty accurately, especially in terms of the love scenes between Oliver and Elio and Elio and Mariza. The big exception is that Oliver comes to visit to say he's engaged, and Elio wants to rekindle their affair and Oliver rejects him. I think they made the change to make Oliver more sympathetic. The second part, which starts 14 or so years later is obviously not in the movie. Another big change is that Elio and Oliver go to Rome for their three-day trip and hang out with a bunch of poets and intellectuals. It's a great book, and just like in the movie the whole thing is from Elio's point of view and from the first page it's about his obsession with Oliver. Years later, he goes to see Oliver who is married with kids, and Elio is upset to see how happy and content Oliver is and refuses to meet the wife and kids. Oliver does reveal that he's kept mementos of the summer and kept up with Elio's career and does say that life requires people to chose and implies he might have stayed with Elio if not for outside pressure but that doesn't seem to erase the fact that he's happy where he is. Elio has probably married too as he alludes to it in the first part (which he narrates from the future) but the wife and kids don't appear nor does he think about them. Wife or kids or not, it's always Oliver he thinks about. No one else, and he doesn't seem to be craving other men. The author has said that the book is open to interpretation, but that in his mind both characters were bisexual and most certainly Oliver is happy. Whether Elio is just longing for his first great love or is gay or even just wants what he can't have isn't clear and it's not clear if Elio even knows. Meanwhile, Oliver comes to visit Italy after Professor Perlman dies and they kind of resolve things between them, but Oliver also reveals he's been thinking of Vimini (a little girl who Oliver has a platonic friendship with in the book but is not in the movie) and kept all her letters and thought of her fondly all these years as well. Elio, now being a grown up, takes this better than you'd expect but ends longing for Oliver. It's interesting to me because Andre Aciman has said he's never had a relationship with a man, and while the book is explicit, I believe that. The sex scenes with Mariza are little more explicit in how her body feels and she's described physically. Oliver hardly is physically described, in terms of what his body feels like or even what he looks like except that he's handsome. Also, Elio imagines both himself and Oliver both being androgynous, like the statues his father describes in the movie. A really interesting scene is when a man - a hotel clerk in Rome - hits on Elio, he realizes that he is actually a female during their conversation. She asks him if he wants a man or a woman - he says he wants "intermezzo." There's a lot of talk about androgyny, and I think that Aciman is romanticizing the classical idea of being a beautiful teenage boy who has traits of both female and male. The interesting thing is people who are clamoring for a sequel will be disappointed if they want to see more of the romance. It's not there. Nothing happens between Elio and Oliver after that summer. The last part is Elio grieving his father and thinking about the summer where he was young and beautiful and in love without limits. It is beautiful and bittersweet, but it does leave you with the feeling that Elio always loved Oliver more than Oliver loved him.
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Post by Will68 on Jan 12, 2018 17:12:09 GMT
Tonight at the Critics Choice Awards Gary Oldman beat out Timothy again for Best Actor in a Drama. We have the SAG Awards and Oscars to go. Call Me By Your Name did win Best Adapted Screenplay. I read the book finally! It's not very long. The movie adheres to the first part pretty accurately, especially in terms of the love scenes between Oliver and Elio and Elio and Mariza. The big exception is that Oliver comes to visit to say he's engaged, and Elio wants to rekindle their affair and Oliver rejects him. I think they made the change to make Oliver more sympathetic. The second part, which starts 14 or so years later is obviously not in the movie. Another big change is that Elio and Oliver go to Rome for their three-day trip and hang out with a bunch of poets and intellectuals. It's a great book, and just like in the movie the whole thing is from Elio's point of view and from the first page it's about his obsession with Oliver. Years later, he goes to see Oliver who is married with kids, and Elio is upset to see how happy and content Oliver is and refuses to meet the wife and kids. Oliver does reveal that he's kept mementos of the summer and kept up with Elio's career and does say that life requires people to chose and implies he might have stayed with Elio if not for outside pressure but that doesn't seem to erase the fact that he's happy where he is. Elio has probably married too as he alludes to it in the first part (which he narrates from the future) but the wife and kids don't appear nor does he think about them. Wife or kids or not, it's always Oliver he thinks about. No one else, and he doesn't seem to be craving other men. The author has said that the book is open to interpretation, but that in his mind both characters were bisexual and most certainly Oliver is happy. Whether Elio is just longing for his first great love or is gay or even just wants what he can't have isn't clear and it's not clear if Elio even knows. Meanwhile, Oliver comes to visit Italy after Professor Perlman dies and they kind of resolve things between them, but Oliver also reveals he's been thinking of Vimini and kept all her letters and thought of her fondly all these years as well. Elio, now being a grown up, takes this better than you'd expect but ends longing for Oliver. It's interesting to me because Andre Aciman has said he's never had a relationship with a man, and while the book is explicit, I believe that. The sex scenes with Mariza are little more explicit in how her body feels and she's described physically. Oliver hardly is physically described, in terms of what his body feels like or even what he looks like except that he's handsome. Also, Elio imagines both himself and Oliver both being androgynous, like the statues his father describes in the movie. A really interesting scene is when a man - a hotel clerk in Rome - hits on Elio, he realizes that he is actually a female during their conversation. She asks him if he wants a man or a woman - he says he wants "intermezzo." There's a lot of talk about androgyny, and I think that Aciman is romanticizing the classical idea of being a beautiful teenage boy who has traits of both female and male. The interesting thing is people who are clamoring for a sequel will be disappointed if they want to see more of the romance. It's not there. Nothing happens between Elio and Oliver after that summer. The last part is Elio grieving his father and thinking about the summer where he was young and beautiful and in love without limits. It is beautiful and bittersweet, but it does leave you with the feeling that Elio always loved Oliver more than Oliver loved him. Sounds like the only why movie goers would be happy is if they go off on their own direction and ignore the book. I doubt that will happen so it's probably better not to have a sequel.
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Post by honeybees on Jan 12, 2018 23:04:56 GMT
I read the book finally! It's not very long. The movie adheres to the first part pretty accurately, especially in terms of the love scenes between Oliver and Elio and Elio and Mariza. The big exception is that Oliver comes to visit to say he's engaged, and Elio wants to rekindle their affair and Oliver rejects him. I think they made the change to make Oliver more sympathetic. The second part, which starts 14 or so years later is obviously not in the movie. Another big change is that Elio and Oliver go to Rome for their three-day trip and hang out with a bunch of poets and intellectuals. It's a great book, and just like in the movie the whole thing is from Elio's point of view and from the first page it's about his obsession with Oliver. Years later, he goes to see Oliver who is married with kids, and Elio is upset to see how happy and content Oliver is and refuses to meet the wife and kids. Oliver does reveal that he's kept mementos of the summer and kept up with Elio's career and does say that life requires people to chose and implies he might have stayed with Elio if not for outside pressure but that doesn't seem to erase the fact that he's happy where he is. Elio has probably married too as he alludes to it in the first part (which he narrates from the future) but the wife and kids don't appear nor does he think about them. Wife or kids or not, it's always Oliver he thinks about. No one else, and he doesn't seem to be craving other men. The author has said that the book is open to interpretation, but that in his mind both characters were bisexual and most certainly Oliver is happy. Whether Elio is just longing for his first great love or is gay or even just wants what he can't have isn't clear and it's not clear if Elio even knows. Meanwhile, Oliver comes to visit Italy after Professor Perlman dies and they kind of resolve things between them, but Oliver also reveals he's been thinking of Vimini and kept all her letters and thought of her fondly all these years as well. Elio, now being a grown up, takes this better than you'd expect but ends longing for Oliver. It's interesting to me because Andre Aciman has said he's never had a relationship with a man, and while the book is explicit, I believe that. The sex scenes with Mariza are little more explicit in how her body feels and she's described physically. Oliver hardly is physically described, in terms of what his body feels like or even what he looks like except that he's handsome. Also, Elio imagines both himself and Oliver both being androgynous, like the statues his father describes in the movie. A really interesting scene is when a man - a hotel clerk in Rome - hits on Elio, he realizes that he is actually a female during their conversation. She asks him if he wants a man or a woman - he says he wants "intermezzo." There's a lot of talk about androgyny, and I think that Aciman is romanticizing the classical idea of being a beautiful teenage boy who has traits of both female and male. The interesting thing is people who are clamoring for a sequel will be disappointed if they want to see more of the romance. It's not there. Nothing happens between Elio and Oliver after that summer. The last part is Elio grieving his father and thinking about the summer where he was young and beautiful and in love without limits. It is beautiful and bittersweet, but it does leave you with the feeling that Elio always loved Oliver more than Oliver loved him. Sounds like the only why movie goers would be happy is if they go off on their own direction and ignore the book. I doubt that will happen so it's probably better not to have a sequel. I think it was a very smart choice not have the later stuff because it brings home the theme that heartbreak is worth it but still a bit ambiguous. Ending it there adds a lot of romanticism that really isn't in the book. Also, I felt that the book wasn't so supportive of Professor Perlman's position that the pain was all worth it, and it seems that Elio has cut himself off from real love and passion. That's my interpretation. Luca Guadagnino added a lot of the nature imagery and the water imagery - although some of it is there in the book - he amps it up. I also think they made a few choices for budget reasons. It's tennis, not volleyball, early in the film. I think it was just probably too expensive to film large crowd scenes and hotel scenes in Rome. In the book, Professor Perlman pays for a nice hotel room in Rome that neither of the young men could afford. The pop music and disco dancing stuff was added for the film. It's all classical music in the book. I'm not sure Aciman knows who The Psychedelic Furs are. Incidentally, Aciman is in the movie as one half of the gay couple that comes to visit Elio's parents. Also, casting Armie Hammer changed something from the book. Oliver and Elio are described as looking like each other, and the call me by your name moment seems to be inspired by how similar they are. That's all in context of the fact that they are both Jewish, and while that's a big deal in the movie - it's a HUGE deal in the book. Elio describes them as: "man-woman to woman-man, scholar to scholar, jew to jew." It's all heavily intellectualized. I do think some people are idealizing the movie too much, but I also think some people are seeing it in all its messy beauty and heartbreak. I loved the movie and I loved the book, but I also think the book brings some stuff to it that is absent from the film and for good reason.
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Post by bennyd on Jan 13, 2018 3:37:55 GMT
Tonight at the Critics Choice Awards Gary Oldman beat out Timothy again for Best Actor in a Drama. We have the SAG Awards and Oscars to go. Call Me By Your Name did win Best Adapted Screenplay. There’s also the Spirit Awards for Film Independent - no competition from Oldman there. But Timothée will have to beat James Franco (The Disaster Artist) and Daniel Kaluuya (Get Out). The film is also nominated but there’s no way it will win over Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri nor will Armie win over Sam Rockwell for that movie. The Spirit Awards are held the Saturday night before the Oscars and televised on IFC.
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Post by bennyd on Jan 13, 2018 3:54:14 GMT
Most of my friends in DC actually liked God’s Own Country better than CMBYN. I may have posted the trailer before but I’ll post it again. It’s being called the British Brokeback Mountain but with a happy ending. It was showing in DC before Christmas but it’s off now so I’ll have to wait for Netflix or iTunes. I did see it listed as the 15th or 16th best film of the year on one critics list.
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Post by Will68 on Jan 13, 2018 13:17:52 GMT
Most of my friends in DC actually liked God’s Own Country better than CMBYN. I may have posted the trailer before but I’ll post it again. It’s being called the British Brokeback Mountain but with a happy ending. It was showing in DC before Christmas but it’s off now so I’ll have to wait for Netflix or iTunes. I did see it listed as the 15th or 16th best film of the year on one critics list. It will be available by mail with Netflix as of Jan 30. No word yet on when it will be available for streaming.
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Post by honeybees on Jan 13, 2018 14:32:19 GMT
Most of my friends in DC actually liked God’s Own Country better than CMBYN. I may have posted the trailer before but I’ll post it again. It’s being called the British Brokeback Mountain but with a happy ending. It was showing in DC before Christmas but it’s off now so I’ll have to wait for Netflix or iTunes. I did see it listed as the 15th or 16th best film of the year on one critics list. It will be available by mail with Netflix as of Jan 30. No word yet on when it will be available for streaming.A A Happy Ending! How refreshing! When you're dealing with literary novels that aren't by Jane Austin, you don't often get happy endings but given the whole tragic gay trope that is sooooo tired, I really embrace the idea of happy endings. Don't get me wrong, I love CMBYN for what it is in all its ambiguity and messiness, but it's its own weird thing. I'll definitely see God's Own Country when I can stream it or get in on Netflix. Oh, and Benny, the thought did cross my mind that casting might have been limited in CMBYN if they went with full frontal male nudity given how important both men's Judaism is to the story. So, yeah, just a thought. Odds are that might have taken some creative CGI.
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Post by Will68 on Jan 13, 2018 14:35:22 GMT
I'm glad to hear about a happy ending too. Most LGBT films feel they have to have sad or tragic endings to make a point.
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Post by honeybees on Jan 13, 2018 14:39:51 GMT
Tonight at the Critics Choice Awards Gary Oldman beat out Timothy again for Best Actor in a Drama. We have the SAG Awards and Oscars to go. Call Me By Your Name did win Best Adapted Screenplay. There’s also the Spirit Awards for Film Independent - no competition from Oldman there. But Timothée will have to beat James Franco (The Disaster Artist) and Daniel Kaluuya (Get Out). The film is also nominated but there’s no way it will win over Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri nor will Armie win over Sam Rockwell for that movie. The Spirit Awards are held the Saturday night before the Oscars and televised on IFC. I think Timothee has a good chance to win Best Actor given the nasty accusations against Franco (especially since they were widely expected to come out before the Golden Globes). Kaluuya gets screwed because Get Out is a horror movie and I think the Spirit Awards go for the more artsy films. I've heard people say that Get Out is the film this year that will likely have the longest duration as it will be shown every Halloween and it has a lot more depth than most horror films. Here's a cute film with Chalamet and Kaluuya talking about acting: I think CMBYN will also last but stay mostly in the art film realm unless Chalamet becomes the big movie star he may become and then it will last because it's his first lead performance and he's outstanding. I think CMBYN will be studied in film school for its uses of silence and color and nature and sound.
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Post by Will68 on Jan 13, 2018 15:31:40 GMT
There’s also the Spirit Awards for Film Independent - no competition from Oldman there. But Timothée will have to beat James Franco (The Disaster Artist) and Daniel Kaluuya (Get Out). The film is also nominated but there’s no way it will win over Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri nor will Armie win over Sam Rockwell for that movie. The Spirit Awards are held the Saturday night before the Oscars and televised on IFC. I think Timothee has a good chance to win Best Actor given the nasty accusations against Franco (especially since they were widely expected to come out before the Golden Globes). Kaluuya gets screwed because Get Out is a horror movie and I think the Spirit Awards go for the more artsy films. I've heard people say that Get Out is the film this year that will likely have the longest duration as it will be shown every Halloween and it has a lot more depth than most horror films. Here's a cute film with Chalamet and Kaluuya talking about acting: I think CMBYN will also last but stay mostly in the art film realm unless Chalamet becomes the big movie star he may become and then it will last because it's his first lead performance and he's outstanding. I think CMBYN will be studied in film school for its uses of silence and color and nature and sound. I'm not giving up hope yet for Timothy to win a Sag or Oscar. The voters are not the same as the Globes or Critic Choice.
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Post by bennyd on Jan 13, 2018 15:47:05 GMT
We’ll see about the SAG’s since they’re tomorrow night. Speaking of “happy endings”, I’m assuming the gay teen comedy directed by Greg Berlanti will have a positive/happpy ending. Plus, Boy Erased should provide viewers with a positive ending since it’s based on a true story that the teen who was subjected to conversion therapy and fought it and survived it to accept his homosexuality. Even though I’m sure a person never gets over the harmful effects of whatever the fuck these religious assholes do to the individuals.
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Post by honeybees on Jan 13, 2018 15:50:00 GMT
I think Timothee has a good chance to win Best Actor given the nasty accusations against Franco (especially since they were widely expected to come out before the Golden Globes). Kaluuya gets screwed because Get Out is a horror movie and I think the Spirit Awards go for the more artsy films. I've heard people say that Get Out is the film this year that will likely have the longest duration as it will be shown every Halloween and it has a lot more depth than most horror films. Here's a cute film with Chalamet and Kaluuya talking about acting: I think CMBYN will also last but stay mostly in the art film realm unless Chalamet becomes the big movie star he may become and then it will last because it's his first lead performance and he's outstanding. I think CMBYN will be studied in film school for its uses of silence and color and nature and sound. I'm not giving up hope yet for Timothy to win a Sag or Oscar. The voters are not the same as the Globes or Critic Choice. Me neither. He'd be the youngest person ever to win Best Actor Oscar if he did win, which would be cool. Oldman will probably get it, but it will be a travesty if Chalamet isn't at least nominated. I don't know much about how the SAG awards tend to vote. I actually think Armie Hammer might get a nomination for supporting as well. Chalamet is also in Lady Bird playing a completely different character than Elio and that might help his chances as it's clear that he doesn't just play himself.
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Post by bennyd on Jan 13, 2018 21:44:21 GMT
It looks like on iTunes God’s Own Country will be available to rent and purchase on Jan. 30th also.
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Post by Will68 on Jan 13, 2018 22:13:00 GMT
We’ll see about the SAG’s since they’re tomorrow night. Speaking of “happy endings”, I’m assuming the gay teen comedy directed by Greg Berlanti will have a positive/happpy ending. Plus, Boy Erased should provide viewers with a positive ending since it’s based on a true story that the teen who was subjected to conversion therapy and fought it and survived it to accept his homosexuality. Even though I’m sure a person never gets over the harmful effects of whatever the fuck these religious assholes do to the individuals. Actually the Sag's are the 21st. Benny do you still watch Shameless? Ian has been involved in an s/l with teens who have been sent to Church's like that.
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Post by honeybees on Jan 15, 2018 13:41:15 GMT
Here's an interesting video about the use of the pop music in the film and how the two Sufjan Stevens songs (the new ones) bookend each other with lyrics that allude to the film:
He's a NYTimes video with Luca discussing the statue scene, and he's talking about the Ravel music that is always heard when Oliver and Elio are separated but disappears when they are together:
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