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Post by Will68 on May 24, 2015 23:19:11 GMT
Will wasn't honest about what happened with Paul but he was honest about how he felt about Sonny. I agree. I don't think the love making was coerced. I think it was an honest moment and I absolutely believe that Will and Sonny would've connected if they had the same conversation without the whole Paul stuff. If Will came back and they had an honest conversation, things would've progressed the same way. We saw Sonny thawing. They obviously talk since Sonny knew about Will's interview with Clyde and that picture on Will's phone indicates that Sonny sent it to him. They were also talking on the phone and exchanged I love yous. If anything, I think the incident with Paul was a step backward for them. That's true. So it makes me believe that once again Will and Sonny have been talking about their marital problems too but it's happening off screen, which I hate. I think I posted this before, don't remember, but I once said on another Site that i was going to write my own soap opera. It wouldn't be on TV or online because everything takes place off screen.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 23:22:54 GMT
Because the love making was coerced with deceit and Will had never used deceit to get Sonny to make love. And of course entered Paul once more telling Sonny how much he loves him and bull-horning Will's character which in all honesty has being this way all along but is used against him bc he does the so-called questionable things that Sonny is written to be his Judge and jury without his behavior with Paul ever called into question. Will wasn't honest about what happened with Paul but he was honest about how he felt about Sonny. Correct and sorry bc I wasn't implying him wanting to reconnect with his husband was to get one on Paul (but the opposite. ). As in children who stick out their tongues and brag about their conquest, not at all. I didn't like his deceit that led up to him being punched unconscious and Paul justifying Will had it coming I totally disagreed with him bc he acknowledged Will's being upset b4 things escalated. And Sonny voiced the same thing to chad there was no justification and I wanted him to tell Paul this but that didn't come to fruition as in so many other things haven't.
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Post by tr123 on May 24, 2015 23:23:47 GMT
I actually think Paul is really angry because Will is rejecting him and trying to get him out of town and out of their lives. InthinknPaul has twisted and confused his feelings. Of course it would be insane for anyone to not want their husbands ex-lover (proposed to even) who is actively pursuing their husband Gone and even Paul should no this. But I think Paul is projecting his feelings how he thinks they make sense. I originally was so angry and discussed with Paul in the last episode. But once again he was so emotional and heated with Will and as soon as Will arrived his focus and eyes were in him. Not Sonny. And he told Will I'm doing this because of YOU and described the Jarlena senario as pertaining to them. Will pointed out that it was different because while Marlena lAxtually loved John he said "but Sonny loves me!" So he mad it clear it was not the same situation. Then instead of Paul saying that Sonny might love HIM too and pointing out secret meetings or eye contact or anything, instead of addressing Sonny as Marlena and he as John he said asked then why did YOU cheat with me? How does that answer the question of Sonnys love for Paul? This is Paul spinning out of control too. He thinks it's because he wants Sonny. I think it's because he can't stand that Will doesn't want him around and he wants to hurt Will. He feels hurt by Will. I also think Sonny is finally a little suspicious of the possibility that Will is too focused on Paul for the wrong reason. Inthinknthats why he walked away from them after all. I also find it odd that Sonny doesn't have a problem with Will being alone with Paul. Will freaks every time he sees Paul around Sonny because he's Sonny's former love but Sonny seems to care less if Will is around the man that he cheated with. It's almost like Sonny is thinking he knows nothing will ever happen between Will and Paul again because they are both in love with him. That has also just blown me away that Sonny would have no jealousy at all. I mean I'm used to him thinking no one really would pursue Will but to not worry that Will could have feelings is a suprise to me. He knows Will and well? Also he has to realize how close they got to have had such an interview. Paul has often complimented Will too. Will says "I know how persistent Paul can be when he wants something" implying how could Sonny resist. That's a flag! I noticed a look Sonny had in this last episode as the two states each other down and focused so emotionally on each other and Sonny looked down and just sad and most people interpret that as he is torn or frustrated. Inthinknhe is wondering about their real feelings. I think he's watching more than we think and I think he's keeping his thoughts to himself so far. And that last head shake as Will walked off? That to me was him knowing Will and worried about Will's motivation. Of course I still think Sonny believe Will loves him and wants his marriage. But he realizes there are feelings for Paul. This is just my opinion and I might change it after next show lol
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 23:30:54 GMT
Will wasn't honest about what happened with Paul but he was honest about how he felt about Sonny. I agree. I don't think the love making was coerced. I think it was an honest moment and I absolutely believe that Will and Sonny would've connected if they had the same conversation without the whole Paul stuff. If Will came back and they had an honest conversation, things would've progressed the same way. We saw Sonny thawing. They obviously talk since Sonny knew about Will's interview with Clyde and that picture on Will's phone indicates that Sonny sent it to him. They were also talking on the phone and exchanged I love yous. If anything, I think the incident with Paul was a step backward for them. I referred to deceit twice in my comments and to me was were I was disappointed in Will for believing he had to used deceit To win sympathy from sonny which was clearly there when sonny witnessed Paul hitting him. I believed Sonny felt responsible for the awkward and violent interaction when he allowed Paul to watch ARI. And how disingenuous of him asking William what were they fighting about, duh, you sonny. It has always been you. Coerced wasn't the correct word but I truly feel deceit was used.
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Post by Cordelia on May 24, 2015 23:35:45 GMT
I actually think Paul is really angry because Will is rejecting him and trying to get him out of town and out of their lives. InthinknPaul has twisted and confused his feelings. Of course it would be insane for anyone to not want their husbands ex-lover (proposed to even) who is actively pursuing their husband Gone and even Paul should no this. But I think Paul is projecting his feelings how he thinks they make sense. I originally was so angry and discussed with Paul in the last episode. But once again he was so emotional and heated with Will and as soon as Will arrived his focus and eyes were in him. Not Sonny. And he told Will I'm doing this because of YOU and described the Jarlena senario as pertaining to them. Will pointed out that it was different because while Marlena lAxtually loved John he said "but Sonny loves me!" So he mad it clear it was not the same situation. Then instead of Paul saying that Sonny might love HIM too and pointing out secret meetings or eye contact or anything, instead of addressing Sonny as Marlena and he as John he said asked then why did YOU cheat with me? How does that answer the question of Sonnys love for Paul? This is Paul spinning out of control too. He thinks it's because he wants Sonny. I think it's because he can't stand that Will doesn't want him around and he wants to hurt Will. He feels hurt by Will. I also think Sonny is finally a little suspicious of the possibility that Will is too focused on Paul for the wrong reason. Inthinknthats why he walked away from them after all. I also find it odd that Sonny doesn't have a problem with Will being alone with Paul. Will freaks every time he sees Paul around Sonny because he's Sonny's former love but Sonny seems to care less if Will is around the man that he cheated with. It's almost like Sonny is thinking he knows nothing will ever happen between Will and Paul again because they are both in love with him. The way Sonny put off Will and Paul's ONS out of his mind makes no sense. He should be concerned, specially since paul described Will so glowingly and told him that he found the one. But I guess since both Will and Paul are obsessing over him he doesn't think they want each other.
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Post by Cordelia on May 24, 2015 23:40:39 GMT
Guys, I don't get the sense that Paul or Will are interested in each other. I don't get the sense that WIll is hiding his feelings for Paul or that he's afraid he might succumb to it again. He already said no to Paul. I think Paul talking about Sonny as the lost love and how they loved each other blew his mind and messed up with his confidence. Also his mistake put him at a weak position since Sonny is mad at him & all of Sonny's family seems to be working against him. He's feeling desperate because he thinks he's fighting a great romance & Sonny's anger towards him
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Post by honeybees on May 24, 2015 23:40:51 GMT
I actually think Paul is really angry because Will is rejecting him and trying to get him out of town and out of their lives. InthinknPaul has twisted and confused his feelings. Of course it would be insane for anyone to not want their husbands ex-lover (proposed to even) who is actively pursuing their husband Gone and even Paul should no this. But I think Paul is projecting his feelings how he thinks they make sense. I originally was so angry and discussed with Paul in the last episode. But once again he was so emotional and heated with Will and as soon as Will arrived his focus and eyes were in him. Not Sonny. And he told Will I'm doing this because of YOU and described the Jarlena senario as pertaining to them. Will pointed out that it was different because while Marlena lAxtually loved John he said "but Sonny loves me!" So he mad it clear it was not the same situation. Then instead of Paul saying that Sonny might love HIM too and pointing out secret meetings or eye contact or anything, instead of addressing Sonny as Marlena and he as John he said asked then why did YOU cheat with me? How does that answer the question of Sonnys love for Paul? This is Paul spinning out of control too. He thinks it's because he wants Sonny. I think it's because he can't stand that Will doesn't want him around and he wants to hurt Will. He feels hurt by Will. I also think Sonny is finally a little suspicious of the possibility that Will is too focused on Paul for the wrong reason. Inthinknthats why he walked away from them after all. I also find it odd that Sonny doesn't have a problem with Will being alone with Paul. Will freaks every time he sees Paul around Sonny because he's Sonny's former love but Sonny seems to care less if Will is around the man that he cheated with. It's almost like Sonny is thinking he knows nothing will ever happen between Will and Paul again because they are both in love with him. I really hate that that Sonny doesn't seem even the slightest bit concerned that Paul is always showing up and always wants to see Will and he isn't worried about them being attracted to each other at all. He was clearly worried about this before he left.
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Post by Will68 on May 24, 2015 23:49:02 GMT
Guys, I don't get the sense that Paul or Will are interested in each other. I don't get the sense that WIll is hiding his feelings for Paul or that he's afraid he might succumb to it again. He already said no to Paul. I think Paul talking about Sonny as the lost love and how they loved each other blew his mind and messed up with his confidence. Also his mistake put him at a weak position since Sonny is mad at him & all of Sonny's family seems to be working against him. He's feeling desperate because he thinks he's fighting a great romance & Sonny's anger towards him They went from being attracted to each other to not being attracted to each other in no time. So with these writers it could happen again. But you are right it doesn't seem to be the case now.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 23:50:56 GMT
Wow, darn it. I guess I have to go back and really watch the "good" stuff bc that was when things were juicy and angst driven. Kaha, I 'm curious to when Paul told sonny he found the one? Perhaps was it when he called him sweet, smart and hot?? Curious mind like to know, Bc we knew their love affair or sex affair was going to come out but the way it was publicly displayed was in poor taste. Bc sonny was hurt in so many ways and it's no wonder his family ( Victor , Adrienne and Justin ) rallied behind him but that was misplaced bc of their own selfish reasons have caused cynicism at their efforts and rightly so. And Sonny once again is not been truly represented in the proper context.
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Post by Will68 on May 24, 2015 23:52:04 GMT
I also find it odd that Sonny doesn't have a problem with Will being alone with Paul. Will freaks every time he sees Paul around Sonny because he's Sonny's former love but Sonny seems to care less if Will is around the man that he cheated with. It's almost like Sonny is thinking he knows nothing will ever happen between Will and Paul again because they are both in love with him. I really hate that that Sonny doesn't seem even the slightest bit concerned that Paul is always showing up and always wants to see Will and he isn't worried about them being attracted to each other at all. He was clearly worried about this before he left. Odd how his feeling changed so quickly, especially after his two bad dreams while in the hospital.
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Post by honeybees on May 25, 2015 0:05:47 GMT
I really hate that that Sonny doesn't seem even the slightest bit concerned that Paul is always showing up and always wants to see Will and he isn't worried about them being attracted to each other at all. He was clearly worried about this before he left. Odd how his feeling changed so quickly, especially after his two bad dreams while in the hospital. I felt so bad for Sonny at the hospital. He seemed very hurt and terrified that Will didn't value him and said he felt like he wasn't enough for Will. He was the one who was terrified of losing his family to Paul, and then the show flip flopped on that. Sonny seems to have clued in as of Friday that Paul's pursuit of him is inappropriate but he still hasn't shown any concern about what happened between Will and Paul or that Paul might try something with Will again. To be fair, Will has been explicit and clear and done nothing but try and get Paul out of their lives, while Sonny has hung around him and gazed at him like a lost puppy. So, on that front, Will has more reason to be paranoid.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 0:12:33 GMT
Which is why it is so hard to sympathize with any one of them when common sense is warranted.
Sonny who apparently left these two continued their foreplay
Will knocked unconscious but his look said to Paul.. Oh, boy, how I am going to read sonny the riot act about you... Instead of being forthcoming knowing Paul wasn't going to take his advice which leads to the next statement.
Paul calling sonny's phone after the blow up and sidestepping will and demanded to talk to sonny.
Why can't they get Paul and Will back in bed which they won't bc sonny leaves and Will still wearing his ring and sonny for that matter. So Will will be written as his uncle Eric when he was a priest: celibate ? Please goodness. No.....
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Post by Cordelia on May 25, 2015 0:13:57 GMT
The way Sonny put off Will and Paul's ONS out of his mind makes no sense. He should be concerned, specially since paul described Will so glowingly and told him that he found the one. But I guess since both Will and Paul are obsessing over him he doesn't think they want each other. And also Will admitted "I wanted it" and he compared helping Paul like Paul helped him. He also said "why would he want Wl if he could have Paul." Paul has recently asked about Will, wanted smooth things over with him, said he'd be careful with him, inquired about his work, complimented his career and even defended Will in a strange way. And When Will arrives he cannot take his eyes off of him his entire focus becomes Will. He can still want it but be committed to Sonny. I think Will is not focused on Paul at all. He's angry with himself for succumbing to Paul's charms and he's directing all of that anger towards Paul. And Paul is saying all of that stuff to Sonny's benefits. He's also trying to control the situation and to make Will even angrier and more irrational. Crazy, insecure Will is Paul's best ally so he needs to rattle Will so that he's driven to do crazy stuff while Paul comes off as rational and understanding. He's the guy who wants them all to get along. I think Paul is more calculating than anyone, except Will realizes.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 0:16:28 GMT
Odd how his feeling changed so quickly, especially after his two bad dreams while in the hospital. I felt so bad for Sonny at the hospital. He seemed very hurt and terrified that Will didn't value him and said he felt like he wasn't enough for Will. He was the one who was terrified of losing his family to Paul, and then the show flip flopped on that. Sonny seems to have clued in as of Friday that Paul's pursuit of him is inappropriate but he still hasn't shown any concern about what happened between Will and Paul or that Paul might try something with Will again. To be fair, Will has been explicit and clear and done nothing but try and get Paul out of their lives, while Sonny has hung around him and gazed at him like a lost puppy. So, on that front, Will has more reason to be paranoid. Or better yet continue to call his husband out like he did when they were on the couch... When he asked matter of fact : why was he there or what would he walked in on an hour later.. All legit questions .. And then sonny caved and apologized for them.
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Post by tr123 on May 25, 2015 0:16:46 GMT
Guys, I don't get the sense that Paul or Will are interested in each other. I don't get the sense that WIll is hiding his feelings for Paul or that he's afraid he might succumb to it again. He already said no to Paul. I think Paul talking about Sonny as the lost love and how they loved each other blew his mind and messed up with his confidence. Also his mistake put him at a weak position since Sonny is mad at him & all of Sonny's family seems to be working against him. He's feeling desperate because he thinks he's fighting a great romance & Sonny's anger towards him They went from being attracted to each other to not being attracted to each other in no time. So with these writers it could happen again. But you are right it doesn't seem to be the case now. I will probably change my mind before long but at this point I'm feeling very likely that Will and Paul are in denial about feelings they have for each other. It's masked now by anger/hate (which is often a soap love story set up) and fear. I re watched from the very beginning of their story and they really were bonding and Paul was very happy with the sex and often tried to prolong Will's visits as well as showing he was upset to hear Will was in a serious relationship. Even as soon as Sonny found out Oaul was worried about Will. Called him. Wanted to see him. Asked him to sit at the hotel. When Will showed up yelling for him to leave he looked hurt and said "now your 15 minutes of fame is up you ...." He felt used and hurt. Now we know that is crazy of Paul because of course Will wanted him gone. Anyway. I'm probably wrong about this. It's just a new perspective.
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